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03/14/2022 09:00 AM Senate EDUCATION

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09:04:42 AM SB225
10:29:26 AM Adjourn
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                    ALASKA STATE LEGISLATURE                                                                                  
              SENATE EDUCATION STANDING COMMITTEE                                                                             
                         March 14, 2022                                                                                         
                           9:04 a.m.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
MEMBERS PRESENT                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Senator Roger Holland, Chair                                                                                                    
Senator Gary Stevens, Vice Chair                                                                                                
Senator Shelley Hughes                                                                                                          
Senator Peter Micciche                                                                                                          
Senator Tom Begich                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
MEMBERS ABSENT                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
All members present                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
COMMITTEE CALENDAR                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
SENATE BILL NO. 225                                                                                                             
"An  Act   relating  to  a  paraprofessional   training  program;                                                               
creating  a  teacher  resident certificate;  creating  a  teacher                                                               
residency program;  relating to  requirements to issue  a teacher                                                               
certificate;  relating to  subject-matter expert  limited teacher                                                               
certificates; relating to  limited teacher certificates; creating                                                               
a  teacher  registered  apprenticeship program;  and  creating  a                                                               
teacher registered apprenticeship program fund."                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     - HEARD & HELD                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
PREVIOUS COMMITTEE ACTION                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
BILL: SB 225                                                                                                                  
SHORT TITLE: TEACHER REGISTERED APPRENTICE PROGRAMS                                                                             
SPONSOR(s): EDUCATION                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
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WITNESS REGISTER                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
BRIDGET WEISS, Superintendent                                                                                                   
Juneau Borough School District (JSD)                                                                                            
Juneau, Alaska                                                                                                                  
POSITION STATEMENT: Testified by invitation on SB 225.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
RANDY TRANI, Superintendent                                                                                                     
Matanuska-Susitna Borough School District (MSBSD)                                                                               
Palmer, Alaska                                                                                                                  
POSITION STATEMENT: Testified by invitation on SB 225.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
CLAYTON HOLLAND, Superintendent                                                                                                 
Kenai Peninsula Borough School District (KPBSD)                                                                                 
Kenai, Alaska                                                                                                                   
POSITION STATEMENT: Testified by invitation on SB 225.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
ED KING, Staff                                                                                                                  
Senator Roger Holland                                                                                                           
Alaska State Legislature                                                                                                        
Juneau, Alaska                                                                                                                  
POSITION STATEMENT: Answered questions on SB 225.                                                                             
                                                                                                                              
ACTION NARRATIVE                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
9:04:08 AM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR  ROGER   HOLLAND  called  the  Senate   Education  Standing                                                             
Committee meeting  to order at 9:04  a.m. Present at the  call to                                                               
order were Senators Hughes, Begich and Chair Holland.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
         SB 225-TEACHER REGISTERED APPRENTICE PROGRAMS                                                                      
                [Contains discussion of SB 111.]                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
9:04:42 AM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR HOLLAND announced the consideration of SENATE BILL NO. 225                                                                
"An  Act   relating  to  a  paraprofessional   training  program;                                                               
creating  a  teacher  resident certificate;  creating  a  teacher                                                               
residency program;  relating to  requirements to issue  a teacher                                                               
certificate;  relating to  subject-matter expert  limited teacher                                                               
certificates; relating to  limited teacher certificates; creating                                                               
a  teacher  registered  apprenticeship program;  and  creating  a                                                               
teacher registered apprenticeship program fund."                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR HOLLAND stated this is  the committee's third meeting on SB
225.  Superintendents  from  three urban  school  districts  will                                                               
testify  to provide  first-hand insight  into the  problem to  be                                                               
resolved. He  stated he is not  related to Mr. Holland  and asked                                                               
superintendents to introduce themselves.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
9:05:53 AM                                                                                                                    
BRIDGET  WEISS, Superintendent,  Juneau  Borough School  District                                                               
(JSD), Juneau, Alaska, introduced herself.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
9:06:01 AM                                                                                                                    
RANDY  TRANI,  Superintendent, Matanuska-Susitna  Borough  School                                                               
District (MSBSD), Palmer, Alaska, introduced himself.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
9:06:06 AM                                                                                                                    
CLAYTON HOLLAND,  Superintendent, Kenai Peninsula  Borough School                                                               
District (KPBSD), Kenai, Alaska, introduced himself.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
9:06:22 AM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR  HOLLAND said  he would  ask four  questions. He  requested                                                               
that  the   superintendents  respond  to  each   question  before                                                               
committee members ask questions.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  HOLLAND   asked  the   superintendents  to   describe  the                                                               
challenges  they  face  when  trying   to  fill  classrooms  with                                                               
qualified teachers.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
9:06:57 AM                                                                                                                    
MS.  WEISS  stated  that  the  challenge  to  find  teachers  was                                                               
aggravated by  the pandemic. However, there  was an extraordinary                                                               
shortage of  special education teachers before  the pandemic, and                                                               
the   applicant  pool   for  regular   education  positions   had                                                               
diminished. Many  years ago, Washington  and Alaska  had hundreds                                                               
of  applicants in  the elementary  teaching  pool. The  applicant                                                               
pool has  changed dramatically.  Five special  education teaching                                                               
positions  in Juneau  went unfilled  in  2021-2022. A  Montessori                                                               
teaching position also went unfilled.  She opined that the demand                                                               
is greater than the supply. She  said she went to Michigan a year                                                               
before  the pandemic  to recruit  excellent teachers  as she  had                                                               
previously done.  She attended several  university job  fairs and                                                               
found  that the  bleachers  were virtually  empty of  candidates.                                                               
Many  students  who   became  classroom-certified  teachers  also                                                               
became  certified   in  special   education  to   increase  their                                                               
potential for hire.  This level of competition  no longer exists.                                                               
She  said teachers  have  also  left the  classroom  to work  for                                                               
various grant programs.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
9:09:37 AM                                                                                                                    
MR. TRANI stated that his  district hires about 120 teachers each                                                               
year.  Thirty-five  to forty  percent  of  vacancies are  due  to                                                               
retirement. The remainder  are due to attrition.  From the school                                                               
district's exit  survey, the  two main  reasons for  leaving were                                                               
personal and leaving  the state. Teacher tourism  is happening in                                                               
Alaska,  unlike in  the 1980s  when teachers  came to  Alaska and                                                               
stayed  due  to the  golden  handcuffs  of the  state  retirement                                                               
system. Young teachers now come  to Alaska for the experience and                                                               
leave  because   nothing  incentivizes  them  to   stay.  Special                                                               
Education  (SpEd) positions  have been  the hardest  to fill.  He                                                               
stated  that MSBSD  is a  desirable work  location in  Alaska and                                                               
hires  teachers from  rural schools.  Although this  benefits his                                                               
district,  it  robs  rural schools  of  teachers.  MSBSD  employs                                                               
several  full-time recruiters.  The  school  district has  barely                                                               
been able  to meet  its staffing needs  by sending  recruiters to                                                               
job fairs. The  substitute teaching pool is  insufficient to meet                                                               
the  district's needs,  even  with  minimal requirements.  Alaska                                                               
does  not  have  enough  certified teachers.  The  University  of                                                               
Alaska, at its  peak, produced 25 percent of  the teachers needed                                                               
in Alaska.  Alaska needs to  recruit from  out of state  but does                                                               
not offer incentives to stay.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
9:12:20 AM                                                                                                                    
MR. HOLLAND  said he  has been  with the  school district  for 20                                                               
years and in the district  office for 15 years. General education                                                               
teaching positions would  have 10 - 20 applicants  ten years ago,                                                               
but now two to three teachers  apply. At times there was only one                                                               
qualified applicant.  Special Education has the  same challenges.                                                               
The  school district  could not  fill all  its positions  for the                                                               
first time in  2021 - 2022. Therefore, changes were  made to fill                                                               
the positions by allowing retired  teachers to return with credit                                                               
for their years  of service. He stated he is  concerned about the                                                               
2022  -  2023  school  year  because  of  the  teacher  shortages                                                               
experienced  over the  past three  to four  years. Teachers  have                                                               
backed  out of  contracts  before or  shortly  after arriving  in                                                               
Alaska. They cited the lack  of defined benefits, cost of living,                                                               
and housing as reasons for not  staying. Many teachers with a J-1                                                               
visa  are being  used temporarily.  However, the  use of  the J-1                                                               
visa may change, which is concerning.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
9:14:28 AM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR  MICCICHE said  the US  is short  a million  teachers. He                                                               
asked  if   data  shows  a  differential   between  the  unfilled                                                               
positions  in  states with  defined  benefit  plans and  teachers                                                               
living in states  without a plan because it seems  every state is                                                               
short.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
9:15:07 AM                                                                                                                    
MR. HOLLAND replied that he does  not have hard data. He only has                                                               
anecdotes  from people  communicating  with  the human  resources                                                               
department on why they are not  staying to have a teaching career                                                               
in Alaska.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
9:16:01 AM                                                                                                                    
MR.  TRANI stated  that  his information  is  also anecdotal.  He                                                               
recalled teachers  talking in  the hallway  about staying  to get                                                               
three high years of service.  Those types of conversations are no                                                               
longer  heard.   About  two-thirds   of  the   school  district's                                                               
employees are Tier I and II. The rest are under the new system.                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
9:16:32 AM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR HOLLAND  said the  committee had been  told there  were not                                                               
enough teachers  in Alaska. However,  there are  14,000 certified                                                               
teachers registered in Alaska. He  asked if there is insufficient                                                               
motivation to keep teachers working in schools.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
9:16:48 AM                                                                                                                    
MS. WEISS replied that there is  a combination of reasons for the                                                               
shortage  of teachers.  She  likes  SB 225  because  it offers  a                                                               
combination  of solutions.  The problem  is complex  and layered.                                                               
She  said  Alaska's  salaries  are  relevant  to  Washington  and                                                               
Oregon. It  used to be that  teachers were encouraged to  come to                                                               
Alaska   for  the   adventure  and   stay  for   a  career.   Now                                                               
advertisements  encourage  them to  come  for  an adventure  that                                                               
lasts about five years. School  districts want teachers committed                                                               
to  Alaska's  children  and communities,  but  teachers  are  not                                                               
incentivized  to  stay.  She  illustrated  the  current  lack  of                                                               
incentive by sharing a retired  teacher's experience. The teacher                                                               
left a  position in  another state  in 1981  as a  step 5  with a                                                               
master's degree  earning $14,500  a year. The  teacher had  a 25-                                                               
year defined  benefit program and full  social security benefits.                                                               
The woman received  a salary of $28,000 and  a 20-year retirement                                                               
option in Juneau.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
MS. WEISS said  it was not just one element  that would encourage                                                               
a teacher to  stay. However, teachers need to know  that they can                                                               
afford to  live in Alaska  and have  some incentive to  stay when                                                               
the salary is not more.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
9:19:22 AM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR  HUGHES said  she recalled  loan  repayment programs  for                                                               
healthcare  providers.  She asked  if  there  is a  federal  loan                                                               
repayment  program for  teachers willing  to work  in underserved                                                               
areas.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
MS. WEISS  replied that she was  not aware of any  programs. Loan                                                               
repayment programs  would be  an option to  pursue because  it is                                                               
the type of incentive young people need.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR HUGHES said she worked  with Representative Bob Herron as                                                               
an  advocate in  setting up  a companion  program for  healthcare                                                               
providers.  The  providers were  required  to  serve time  before                                                               
receiving quarterly loan repayments.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
9:21:10 AM                                                                                                                    
ED KING, Staff, Senator Roger  Holland, Alaska State Legislature,                                                               
Juneau, Alaska,  stated that DEED  was looking at Senate  Bill 93                                                               
from  the previous  legislature  to determine  whether a  similar                                                               
loan repayment program could be established for teachers.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR MICCICHE  said that it has  become increasingly difficult                                                               
to  fill  positions since  the  pandemic,  and  he would  like  a                                                               
comparison of  states' incentive  programs. He wondered  how much                                                               
weight should be given to  defined benefits versus other societal                                                               
issues in the quest to fill positions.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
9:22:35 AM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR BEGICH  stated that  in 2009  the National  Conference of                                                               
State  Legislatures  (NCLS)  conducted  a study  and  found  that                                                               
Alaska was the  only state with a  mandatory defined contribution                                                               
plan. He suggested Mr. King ask  the NCSL for an updated analysis                                                               
to see how Alaska currently compares to other states.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR HOLLAND reminded the committee  that HB 220 documents would                                                               
likely contain the study.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
9:23:36 AM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR  HUGHES  shared  an  anecdotal story  of  a  meeting  she                                                               
attended where  older firefighters wanted  to revert to  a former                                                               
retirement   system,  whereas   younger  firefighters   preferred                                                               
portability. She  opined that younger teachers  might also prefer                                                               
portability. She  stated her belief  that the  teacher population                                                               
would  become  more  transient. There  are  societal  factors  to                                                               
consider,  and a  solution for  some would  not necessarily  be a                                                               
solution for all.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
9:24:15 AM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR HOLLAND interjected that  the teacher population nationally                                                               
was down by one million.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
9:24:23 AM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR  BEGICH  stated  he  received  a  text  from  Dr.  Parady                                                               
confirming Alaska  was now the  only state  that does not  have a                                                               
defined benefit plan for teachers.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
9:25:11 AM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR  HOLLAND interjected  that Alaska  was not  the only  state                                                               
contributing to the national teacher shortage.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR BEGICH  affirmed Chair Holland's comment  but stated that                                                               
the  remark  was in  response  to  Senator Micciche's  desire  to                                                               
compare states'  incentive programs  to determine  if there  is a                                                               
correlation to  position vacancies.  He opined  that it  would be                                                               
impossible  to  know  since forty-nine  states  offer  a  defined                                                               
benefit and only Alaska does not.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR HOLLAND  asked the  superintendents what  they could  do in                                                               
their districts to deal with the teacher shortage facing Alaska.                                                                
                                                                                                                                
9:25:24 AM                                                                                                                    
MR. TRANI replied that his  district would be launching a program                                                               
modeled   after  the   state's   discontinued  Alaska   Teacher's                                                               
Scholarship  Loan Program  next  year. Students  who  want to  be                                                               
teachers or  paraeducators would  take remote  coursework through                                                               
Chadron State College (CSC) while  participating in work-study at                                                               
a Matanuska -  Susitna (Mat-Su) school part-time.  Once a student                                                               
obtains a degree, their loan could  be forgiven up to 100 percent                                                               
over  five years  if they  teach  in the  Mat-Su district.  Rural                                                               
districts could  send students  to Mat-Su  to participate  in the                                                               
program by  contributing funding if the  trial proves successful.                                                               
The idea is  to hire teachers who  live in the state  and want to                                                               
remain rather  than pay  to recruit  tourist teachers.  He stated                                                               
that MSBSD could  pay for the program because of  the teacher and                                                               
paraeducator shortages. Money is  available to hire teachers, but                                                               
there are no teachers to hire.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
9:29:21 AM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR HUGHES  asked whether the  University of Alaska  (UA) was                                                               
approached to be a partner.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MR.  TRANI stated  that CSC  was flexible  and quick  to respond,                                                               
which made partnering easy. He  said the Mat-Su district would be                                                               
willing to partner with any university, especially UA.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
9:29:53 AM                                                                                                                    
MR.  HOLLAND   stated  he  was   doing  a  similar   program  for                                                               
paraprofessionals through  CSC. He  said it  bothered him  not to                                                               
partner with UA,  but CSC was tuned into remote  learning and had                                                               
a  well-laid-out  competitive  program.  Local  paraprofessionals                                                               
make  some of  the  best teachers  because  of their  experience.                                                               
KPBSD  adjusted   pay  scales   by  increasing  the   years  that                                                               
experience can count towards pay.  It has transitioned to virtual                                                               
job fairs  making it possible  to recruit from all  states. KPBSD                                                               
also  helps  people  move  to  the  peninsula  by  paying  moving                                                               
expenses,  assisting them  in locating  housing, and  providing a                                                               
mentor.  He said  recruiting  for KPBSD  costs  rural schools  by                                                               
losing teachers to larger communities.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
9:32:54 AM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR MICCICHE  asked if  superintendents collaborate  on ideas                                                               
to bring before  the legislature, such as  requesting funding for                                                               
retention bonuses. He wondered whether  educators were working to                                                               
find  the  right  combination  of offerings  to  keep  people  in                                                               
Alaska. He  opined that an  extra service could sometimes  sway a                                                               
person's choice.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
9:34:43 AM                                                                                                                    
MR. TRANI  responded that  the "big  five" meet  informally every                                                               
other  Friday   to  discuss  issues  relevant   to  urban  school                                                               
districts. However, the  Alaska Superintendents Association (ASA)                                                               
is the official  organization where ideas are  discussed and then                                                               
taken to the State Board of Education for consideration.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
9:35:40 AM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR HOLLAND  asked Mr.  Weiss what  the Juneau  School District                                                               
(JSD) has  done to address  the teacher  shortage and if  she had                                                               
input to add to Senator Micciche's comments.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
9:35:44 AM                                                                                                                    
MS. WEISS opined that superintendents  had been working to uplift                                                               
and work through a difficult  experience over the past 20 months,                                                               
so  the amount  of time  to dialogue  had been  sparse. She  said                                                               
structures  exist for  superintendents  to share  ideas, and  she                                                               
would support front-end engagement  with potential legislation by                                                               
contributing to the amazing ideas put forward by legislators.                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MS. WEISS said JSD partners  with UA through the Educators Rising                                                               
Program to  offer a  course that supports  the early  learning of                                                               
being an educator. JSD also works  with UAS to expand dual credit                                                               
and  create a  broader  experience for  students attaining  post-                                                               
secondary  credits before  graduating  high school.  UAS and  JSD                                                               
have worked to build the middle  college model and put together a                                                               
joint  work  team  called JSDUAS  because  statistics  show  that                                                               
students who have  a head start are more likely  to graduate from                                                               
college.  JSD  has  also  been trying  to  support  teachers  and                                                               
increase  morale  because  teachers  are  the  ones  who  inspire                                                               
students  to become  teachers. She  opined  that it  is hard  for                                                               
teachers to be inspirational at  this time. JSD has been focusing                                                               
on  meeting  teacher  needs  so  they  can  be  inspirational  to                                                               
students.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
9:39:35 AM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR HOLLAND  asked how high teacher  turnover affects available                                                               
finances and the ability to provide quality instruction.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
9:39:57 AM                                                                                                                    
MR.  HOLLAND commented  that  it  was a  crazy  first  year as  a                                                               
superintendent,  and  the "big  five"  provided  him the  support                                                               
needed  to  survive. He  said  a  study  revealed that  each  new                                                               
teacher  hired   costs  a  school  district   $20,000,  including                                                               
recruitment  and   training.  The  non-financial  cost   is  lost                                                               
connection. Kids  learn best in  a trusted  relationship. Without                                                               
permanent staff,  students will struggle  academically, socially,                                                               
and  emotionally  regardless  of   the  legislation.  Also,  when                                                               
teachers are  required to  fill gaps and  teach outside  of their                                                               
content area instruction quality is impacted                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
9:45:38 AM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR BEGICH  said a considerable  portion of SB  111 addresses                                                               
the  need  for  DEED  to  enhance the  support  of  teachers  and                                                               
superintendents  in their  work. He  asked whether  SB 111  would                                                               
help improve teacher morale.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
9:46:23 AM                                                                                                                    
MS. WEISS  replied that  SB 111  could be  part of  the solution.                                                               
However, Alaska  has structures outside  of DEED that  offer good                                                               
support.  She  opined  that  developing  and  enhancing  existing                                                               
structures through  partnerships with the  Alaska Superintendents                                                               
Association (ASA),  Association of  Alaska School  Boards (AASB),                                                               
and National  Education Association  (NEA) would help  the morale                                                               
issue and provide the mentorship that new teachers need.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
9:47:07 AM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR  BEGICH asked  what, besides  mentor  programs, could  be                                                               
done to improve  morale because SB 111 also  includes the virtual                                                               
education  consortium.   He  asked   her  to  elaborate   on  how                                                               
recruitment and retention could be accomplished.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
9:47:33 AM                                                                                                                    
MS. WEISS  responded that ASA  created a sliding  two-year cohort                                                               
for superintendents so that new  superintendents are supported. A                                                               
retired  superintendent runs  the  program,  which meets  several                                                               
times yearly  and receives ongoing mentor  support. ASA developed                                                               
it  because superintendent  turnover  is also  high. Many  issues                                                               
could be more efficiently integrated  with statewide support. The                                                               
Alaska  Council of  School Administrators  (ACSA) and  DEED could                                                               
create  incentives   for  first   and  second-year   teachers  to                                                               
participate  and  use  commonalities  from across  the  state  to                                                               
create  efficiencies, such  as the  need  for equity,  culturally                                                               
responsive teaching, and a reading initiative.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
9:49:15 AM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR BEGICH said he often  argues that similarities within the                                                               
state should move legislation like SB 111 and HB 164 forward.                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR MICCICHE  related that his experience  examining the cost                                                               
of training state  troopers indicates that $20,000 to  hire a new                                                               
teacher must not include peripheral  costs. Peripheral values are                                                               
difficult  to  quantify.  Replacing  an  experienced  teacher  is                                                               
expensive  because   the  value   of  experience  is   lost.  The                                                               
continuity  of  intergenerational   teachers  brings  family  and                                                               
community  support to  a school.  He encourages  using incentives                                                               
such   as  paid   moving  expenses   and   loan  forgiveness   as                                                               
alternatives to  defined benefits. People need  to understand the                                                               
challenges  educators  face.  Outreach to  the  community  should                                                               
happen to educate the public.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
9:52:35 AM                                                                                                                    
At ease                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
9:53:22 AM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR HOLLAND reconvened the meeting.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  HOLLAND asked  Mr. Trani  to comment  on the  financial or                                                               
other implications of high teacher turnover.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
9:53:29 AM                                                                                                                    
MR.  TRANI   said  that  continuity   is  the   most  significant                                                               
consequence  of   the  teacher   shortage  from   an  educational                                                               
standpoint. It  is hard to put  a price tag on  peripheral costs,                                                               
but  one study  he read  said  the cost  would be  $50,000 for  a                                                               
teacher  and $75,000  for a  principal. However,  the programming                                                               
for  students  is  more concerning.  Mat-Su  promotes  its  8,000                                                               
courses  in  career  and technical  education  (CTE),  which  are                                                               
difficult to  hire positions  because teachers  leave to  work in                                                               
industries that  pay more.  Teacher turnover  in CTE  and special                                                               
education  (SpEd)  occurs  constantly.   SpEd  teachers  are  the                                                               
highest  in  demand,  making  it   easy  for  them  to  relocate.                                                               
Therefore, students  that need the  most consistency  receive the                                                               
least. Kenai and Juneau are  magnet locations that rob from rural                                                               
areas when they are robbed by the lower 48.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
9:56:02 AM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR STEVENS arrived.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
9:56:23 AM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR  BEGICH mentioned  the House  has been  discussing adding                                                               
between  $40    60  million to  the budget  outside  of the  base                                                               
student allocation  (BSA), which the governor  indicated he would                                                               
veto. He said  it seems like superintendents  are suggesting that                                                               
a  more   targeted  approach  would   work  better   for  teacher                                                               
recruitment and  retention. For example, teachers  in rural areas                                                               
might receive  housing assistance,  while another  district might                                                               
target  mentoring. He  asked the  superintendents to  discuss the                                                               
efficacy of a  blanket amount of money being put  into the budget                                                               
outside of the  BSA versus targeted support  where outcomes could                                                               
be measured for success.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
9:57:37 AM                                                                                                                    
MS. WEISS  stated her belief that  there would be added  value in                                                               
targeted    financial   efforts    with   concrete,    measurable                                                               
deliverables,  which  could be  used  to  determine where  future                                                               
resources are placed. The downside  would be that superintendents                                                               
may  have varying  opinions because  their  districts might  have                                                               
differing needs.  Open financial  commitment allows  districts to                                                               
tailor funding to  their needs. She suggested  that a combination                                                               
of  funding  might incentivize  districts  to  obtain some  funds                                                               
based on initiatives and commitments.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
9:58:47 AM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR BEGICH  said that if the  House and Senate pass  a budget                                                               
with  blanket  funding for  education  outside  the BSA  and  the                                                               
governor vetoes it, there would  be zero added funding. He stated                                                               
it is important  for the Senate, House, and governor  to unite in                                                               
funding  identified  needs  because  having  something  would  be                                                               
better than having nothing.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
9:59:38 AM                                                                                                                    
MS. WEISS  replied that  she agreed.  She opined  that zero-added                                                               
funding would not help public  education through the crisis it is                                                               
experiencing. Students  lose if  public education does  not rise,                                                               
survive,  and constructively  utilize resources  and initiatives.                                                               
She said she has been in the  field of education for 38 years and                                                               
sees  that  the challenges  facing  education  today are  in  the                                                               
substantial  social-emotional needs  of students.  The challenges                                                               
have a  ripple effect on  families and affect  educators' morale.                                                               
Issues cannot be fixed without resources.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR BEGICH  said he does  not wish  to belabor the  point but                                                               
wants colleagues in the House to  know that the governor has said                                                               
there  would  not  be  excess funding  for  education  without  a                                                               
reading bill.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
10:01:02 AM                                                                                                                   
CHAIR  HOLLAND  asked if  Mr.  Trani  would  like to  comment  on                                                               
Senator  Begich's  question  regarding the  efficacy  of  funding                                                               
outside of the BSA versus targeted support.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MR.  TRANI replied  that he  could not  entertain creative  ideas                                                               
such as teacher retainment  incentives without guaranteed funding                                                               
because  other  elements  like collective  bargaining  agreements                                                               
extend into  the future. One-time  funding makes it  difficult to                                                               
develop  plans because  the source  of money  is not  guaranteed.                                                               
Everyone would  favor something over  nothing if it came  down to                                                               
having blanket  funds inside  or outside  the BSA,  especially if                                                               
the  fund  was  more  permanent  than  a  one-time  boost  for  a                                                               
particular idea.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
10:02:32 AM                                                                                                                   
MR.  HOLLAND agreed  that $50  million one-time  would be  better                                                               
than zero,  but he  would like  a long-term  fiscal plan  for the                                                               
state  that includes  an adjustment  to  the BSA.  An inside  BSA                                                               
solution  would be  better than  an outside  solution because  it                                                               
would  continue beyond  one year.  He would  favor a  legislative                                                               
solution that adjusted  the BSA and made  it inflation-proof. The                                                               
next  best  option would  be  to  allocate  funds to  a  specific                                                               
solution. He  opined that the  BSA needs  to be adjusted  for the                                                               
long-term health of all school districts.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
10:03:58 AM                                                                                                                   
CHAIR HOLLAND asked the superintendents  to assess the usefulness                                                               
of SB 225 and provide suggestions for improvement.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
10:04:13 AM                                                                                                                   
MS.  WEISS stated  she approves  of  SB 225  because it  provides                                                               
multiple solutions  to school districts' challenges.  None of the                                                               
challenges facing  education are simple enough  for one solution.                                                               
One of the hardest things at  the core of what superintendents do                                                               
is  plan  budgets a  year  at  a  time  with flat  or  regressing                                                               
funding.  She said  finding a  solution to  the BSA  needs to  be                                                               
discovered as a state before  other challenges are addressed. She                                                               
opined  that  it  is counterproductive  and  faulty  thinking  to                                                               
expect education  in Alaska to  get better when  school districts                                                               
need  to  be  adequately  funded   on  a  yearly  basis  so  that                                                               
innovative   instructions  and   plans  can   be  designed.   She                                                               
appreciates  that SB  225 looks  at growing  from within.  Alaska                                                               
must find and  retain good teachers through the  three options SB
225 offers. She said she did  not have an obvious solution to add                                                               
but encouraged the committee to  attend the superintendent fly-in                                                               
because collective thinking is how problems are solved.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
10:06:45 AM                                                                                                                   
SENATOR BEGICH stated his belief  that no one would rationally be                                                               
opposed  to  supporting an  increase  in  the BSA.  However,  the                                                               
administration has made  it clear that there will  be no increase                                                               
to  the BSA  without a  reading bill,  and there  are not  enough                                                               
votes  to override  a veto.  If  an increase  in the  BSA is  the                                                               
bottom line,  then the reading bill  needs to be addressed.  On a                                                               
narrower level,  SB 225 explores teacher  retention ideas similar                                                               
to what  Mr. Holland  described. In 2010  when the  Moore lawsuit                                                               
was being settled, there was  a legislative proposal to establish                                                               
a  teacher  retention  grant  to  make  funding  more  permanent.                                                               
However, establishing a grant when  there is a structural deficit                                                               
is difficult.  He opined  that Mr. Holland  is correct;  a fiscal                                                               
plan is  needed. The  education committee  is broaching  the need                                                               
for  a   fiscal  plan  and  reading   bill.  If  superintendents,                                                               
teachers,  and  students are  to  be  successful, the  answer  is                                                               
eminently  clear, yet  there  is resistance  from  the House.  He                                                               
asked  the superintendents  to determine  how much  they value  a                                                               
fiscal plan  and what they  are willing  to fight for  to achieve                                                               
it.   In the  meantime, the  committee will try  to pass  SB 225,                                                               
which  addresses  one of  the  five  concerns identified  in  the                                                               
Alaska   Education   Challenge.   There  are   also   initiatives                                                               
addressing other  Alaska Education Challenge  concerns. Education                                                               
improvements will  be seen if  the initiatives move  forward with                                                               
superintendent support.   He said he  wants people to be  open to                                                               
solutions  and  not  count  on  a  solution  dependent  on  other                                                               
legislation passing.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
10:09:42 AM                                                                                                                   
SENATOR  HUGHES  said   she  was  willing  to   consider  a  fund                                                               
specifically created  to address teacher retention  for about ten                                                               
years  so school  districts could  implement  incentive plans  to                                                               
help Alaska get through the  teacher shortage. She said she would                                                               
like to  know what other  legislators think  of the idea  and was                                                               
certain superintendents would approve.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
10:12:30 AM                                                                                                                   
MR. TRANI replied that most  superintendents would support a ten-                                                               
year fund outside  the BSA for teacher retention if  it could not                                                               
be  inside   due  to  political   loggerheads.  He   offered  two                                                               
suggestions to  improve SB 225.  First, human resources  and SpEd                                                               
teachers have  said that flexibility in  certification would make                                                               
it  easier  to hire  teachers  because  the particulars  of  SpEd                                                               
certification often get  in the way of hiring.  Another idea that                                                               
would draw  teachers to  Alaska without  costing the  state money                                                               
would be a  four-day workweek. It would only  require a statutory                                                               
change  allowing  teachers  to  earn their  retirement  in  hours                                                               
instead  of  days. About  a  third  of  the school  districts  in                                                               
Oregon, primarily rural, are on  four-day weeks. It is attractive                                                               
to people,  and it saves money.  Teacher pay would stay  the same                                                               
because they work the same number of hours.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
10:15:50 AM                                                                                                                   
MR.  HOLLAND opined  that more  pathways would  help address  the                                                               
teacher  shortage because  the content  areas needed  are varied,                                                               
and   individuals  entering   the  paths   have  different   work                                                               
experience. The  ASA supports  SB 111. He  has talked  with Kenai                                                               
borough  officials  and  school  superintendents  about  the  BSA                                                               
increase and  welcoming the accountability that  SB 111 requires.                                                               
Rural school districts have unique  concerns and higher turnover,                                                               
so   it  is   key  not   to   be  unfairly   punitive  to   them.                                                               
Superintendents also support HB 220  and are getting the word out                                                               
that they support  both bills. Superintendents are  willing to be                                                               
creative  and flexible  to obtain  funding that  support teachers                                                               
and students.  He thanked the committee  for meaningful solutions                                                               
to create change.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
10:18:00 AM                                                                                                                   
SENATOR  MICCICHE  said   superintendents  are  politicians,  and                                                               
demagogues carry  the day  in today's  politics. They  say things                                                               
people  want to  hear on  popular issues  and may  not intend  to                                                               
deliver. The  popular issue with Alaska's  education system today                                                               
is   that   outcomes  are   a   problem.   He  opined   that   if                                                               
superintendents  ask for  something, they  should tie  it to  the                                                               
governor's  concern for  outcomes  in education.  The message  of                                                               
concern  should be  the same  because  superintendents carry  the                                                               
same flag as the governor. Do  not talk about increasing the BSA;                                                               
speak  about  programs  that  will   help  with  the  educational                                                               
outcomes  in Alaska.  Learn  how  to promote  an  idea  so it  is                                                               
accepted. Consider  community input. The  bottom line is  to make                                                               
Alaska first in educational outcomes, not fiftieth.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Outcome-based  programs and  requests  will be  supported by  the                                                               
House  and Senate  and signed  by  the governor.  The ability  to                                                               
retain  teachers affects  outcomes, and  this committee  walks in                                                               
lockstep  with the  governor on  SB  111 because  of its  outcome                                                               
solution. Therefore, put programs  and requests together that are                                                               
tied to SB  111. He stated that  he does not care  if critics are                                                               
listening who do not  like the fact that there is  a hard push to                                                               
change educational  outcomes. A broad spectrum  of individuals on                                                               
the education committee  understand the message and  a little bit                                                               
of  the  demagoguery  but  want  a  product  that  results  in  a                                                               
comprehensive  solution   for  education   in  Alaska.   He  said                                                               
superintendents  need to  politic and  talk about  increasing the                                                               
BSA  in terms  of specific  programs that  will result  in better                                                               
outcomes,  retention, and  results for  Alaska's children.  It is                                                               
the primary message being sent  by the committee and the governor                                                               
to  educators. Educators  should  hear the  message  and lean  on                                                               
legislators  to get  something done  that will  improve education                                                               
outcomes this year because the option is available.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
10:21:20 AM                                                                                                                   
CHAIR HOLLAND asked if the superintendents had closing comments.                                                                
                                                                                                                                
10:21:42 AM                                                                                                                   
MR. HOLLAND said he appreciates  the committee's work to create a                                                               
sustainable long-term  fiscal plan to improve  education. He said                                                               
he agreed  that messaging  is important,  and requests  should be                                                               
tied  to  outcomes.  Superintendents   are  willing  to  be  held                                                               
accountable and want to improve  school district outcomes. Alaska                                                               
is not first  in spending and last in outcomes.  A national study                                                               
revealed  that Alaska's  BSA is  average when  adjusting for  the                                                               
cost  of living.  Alaska has  districts  that do  very well.  For                                                               
example, Kenai's  SAT and ACT  scores outperform the rest  of the                                                               
nation.  At the  same time,  other school  districts struggle  in                                                               
areas  both inside  and outside  of education.  Those areas  need                                                               
support with outcomes and a stable workforce.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
10:23:48 AM                                                                                                                   
MS.   WEISS   stated   her  belief   that   the   committee   and                                                               
superintendents  are  on the  same  page,  which is  encouraging.                                                               
Superintendents are  tasked with  overseeing the  educational and                                                               
business  aspects of  schools. Last  year JSD  spent $240,000  on                                                               
property insurance.  In FY 2023,  JSD will spend $1.3  million on                                                               
property insurance.  Superintendents must  run an  audited budget                                                               
that meets the basic needs  of the organization outside of paying                                                               
for all  the initiatives.  Discussions about  the BSA  would have                                                               
been  different if  there had  been small  increases since  2017.                                                               
Now,  school  districts  are  so  far in  the  hole  that  it  is                                                               
difficult  to come  before the  legislature and  not mention  the                                                               
need for  an increase. Whether  the governor or anyone  agrees is                                                               
not   a   superintendent's   concern.  Superintendents   have   a                                                               
responsibility  to  run  a fiscally  solvent  agency,  which  has                                                               
become   almost    impossible.   Superintendents    support   the                                                               
legislative initiatives  and are  looking to partner  on targeted                                                               
funds  with  committed   outcomes.  Superintendents  are  driven,                                                               
dedicated people who  appreciate being able to  find solutions in                                                               
partnership with the legislature.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
10:26:09 AM                                                                                                                   
MR. TRANI  stated he supports  a reading bill  and accountability                                                               
measures representing  honest student achievement,  especially if                                                               
it will result in money  for other school district challenges. He                                                               
thrives on  reaching targets, and  the reading bill  will benefit                                                               
kids in  the long run.  School district staff are  capable people                                                               
that  know how  to marshal  resources. He  appreciated advice  to                                                               
focus on accountability and outcomes when seeking funding.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
10:27:54 AM                                                                                                                   
SENATOR MICCICHE  said the people  superintendents are  trying to                                                               
reach are  not listening to  the committee meetings  or attending                                                               
school  board  meetings.  Therefore,  superintendents  must  take                                                               
their message  and present it so  it will be heard  and accepted,                                                               
which is  challenging for people  who operate on  facts, figures,                                                               
and  reality.  He  stated  he agrees  with  the  discussion,  but                                                               
superintendents  need to  get better  at  explaining how  funding                                                               
requests are tied to better outcomes.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
10:29:10 AM                                                                                                                   
CHAIR HOLLAND held SB 225 in committee.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
10:29:26 AM                                                                                                                   
There being  no further  business to  come before  the committee,                                                               
Chair Holland  adjourned the Senate Education  Standing Committee                                                               
meeting at 10:29 a.m.                                                                                                           

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